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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 24, 2012 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

Anyone buy this release from the Grateful Dead?

Recorded by Bear and remastered by Jeff Norman. I remember digging this back when it first came out. Primal early Allmans. Not as polished as they would be one year later, but the power is there and the Dead had to be impressed.

Anyone know the story behind how/why this music was released by the Grateful Dead?

Grooving to it now...

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Poster: corry Date: Feb 24, 2012 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

>>Anyone know the story behind how/why this music was released by the Grateful Dead?<<

My understanding at the time was that the Grateful Dead organization was trying to be an independent record label. They released historic live albums by the Allmans, one by Crosby and Nash and a contemporary (1998ish) recording by The Sons Of Champlin. The thinking was apparently that all these groups had largely the same hard-core fan base.

At the time, the Allman Brothers had not organized to the point where they were able to release their own archival cds, either, and I think letting the Dead do it let them dip their toe in the water, so to speak. As it happened, the Dead organization's efforts to release albums by their old friends wasn't that financially viable, and the Allmans at least took over releasing their own material.

I have always wondered why the tracks were never specifically identified by date.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Feb 25, 2012 1:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

This is a fine release cliff. Funny you mentioned it, I have been on a bit of an Allmans kick myself lately. I didn't get from the dead since it is out of print, but I have had it for a while. I especially like the early takes on Liz Reed and Whipping Post. And Mountain Jam is always welcome. On a side note, the International Pop Festival release has some of the finest ABB music I've heard, including what I'd consider to be the definitve MJ.

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2012-02-25 09:06:24

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Feb 25, 2012 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

Ditto on the Atlanta Pops festival release. I play it all the time. I read somewhere that the 7/5 Mountain Jam is edited by like 12 minutes which kinda sucks but I never heard the full version and can't tell. The 12/13/70 American University release is a must have as well(My favorite whipping post). I just picked up the 9/19/71 Stonybrook release while it is a awesome show the sound quality is dismal with a ton of static reminds me of listening a radio station that isn't coming in good. It could use a Charlie Miller upgrade. Still worth the $18 though.
I copied the 2/70 Fillmore from my roomate in college and have it on tape. I just broke it out and will give it a listen. Checked on Ebay and one is going for $127.50 with a few days left on the auction. The law of supply and demand at it's finest.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 25, 2012 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

The second Mountain jam on the Atlanta Pop release is indeed edited down from about 40 minutes to 28 minutes. One of those cases where they did some trimming to get 2 shows down to 2 CDs!

9/19/71 is indeed cool with the enormous Dreams, and Duane playing on Blue Sky. My favorite Allmans show is probably the New Orleans show from a few days before, 9/16/71, one of Duane's last Mountain Jams, plus you get a great You Don't Love Me & Whipping Post & Blue Sky in the same show - though it's just an OK audience tape.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Feb 25, 2012 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

That is a bit disappointing about that mountain jam, i would love to hear it in its entirety , that jam is one of my favorite pieces of music by the Allmans. And I really dig stony took release a lot despite the sound. The blue sky as you mentioned LiA is a killer, and it also has my favorite Liz reed - some serious intensity on that version.

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2012-02-25 20:13:40

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Poster: Skobud Date: Feb 25, 2012 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

LIA - If you dig that 9/16 show you should give the 3/20 Warehouse show a spin...You get a 40+ min Whippin Post plus a monster You Dont Love Me as well...I still dont think either holds a candle to 8/17/71 Boston Common though..The Elizabeth Reed is outta this world and the funked out Whippin Post is the best Ive heard. Short but sweet official archival release..Love ABB. Ill be at The Beacon on St. Patty's Day checkin them out!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 25, 2012 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

Oh yes, I keep meaning to dig up my Allmans shows again...I'm sure a lot of them need upgrades by now since I got them years ago, when I was just starting to get CDs!
I do have that 8/17/71 release somewhere...

On my list I marked *Excellent on these Allmans shows - 7/5/70 Atlanta, 1/31/71 Fillmore East, 3/20/71 Warehouse, 6/27/71 Fillmore East, and 9/16/71 Warehouse.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Feb 25, 2012 2:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

I bought this one when it came out. Haven't listened to it in ages, hell it's probably been 10 years. I enjoyed it, though, it's sortof like the garage band version of the legendary Live at Fillmore East album recorded the following year. Sort of like what the 2/14/68 Road Trips is to Live/Dead.

From memory, I had always thought or assumed that this cd was material all from one show (for some reason I'm thinking I thought it was 2/11). That was probably naive of me.

I hate when the suits and everybody have to always throw a wrench in the plans for a really good idea, like releasing the Watkins Glen and RFK stuff. We'll probably never see it, and that's just wrong.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJeff Kaplan Date: Feb 25, 2012 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

have to chime in as a civilian....i should get this. Feb 13, 1970 early show was my first Dead show. I had no idea who the Allmans were (nor did most people) but remember thinking that they were amazing. Garcia and Pigpen sat in seats right in front of us for the Allman's set. Arthur Lee's Love was also on the bill. owsley and i had a running argument for a number of years about whether there was an early show. he claimed there wasn't but i was there. i was 14 years old and at the Fillmore East....it was the beginning of a long strange trip.

This post was modified by Jeff Kaplan on 2012-02-25 20:30:01

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Poster: capsgd Date: Feb 25, 2012 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK>>>Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

Jeff Kaplan-I was 16 then!
in an e-mail to Bear I asked if he'd ever taped Love,
no he wrote- I got the impression he wasn't a fan.
here's my 70's.....

1970-09-26 Pink Floyd...the Electric Factory ...Phila.


1971-02-05 Little Richard, Chambers Bros., Allman Bros.
Spectrum, Phila.
1971-11-12 Pink Floyd... Irvine Aud. Phila.

1972-02-04 Captain Beefheart -Little Feat...Irvine Aud. Phila.

1973-03-24 Grateful Dead...Spectrum, Phila.
1973-09-21 Grateful Dead-Doug Sahm...Spectrum, Phila.


1974-06-05 Hawkwind-Man...Tower Theatre “1999 party”
1974-08-05 Grateful Dead-Ned Lagin...Phila. Civic Arena, Phila.

1976-06-22 Grateful Dead...Tower Theater, 69th St. Phila.

1977-04-06 Tangerine Dream... Tower Theatre, Phila.
1977-10-09 Grateful Dead...McNichols Arena, Co.

1978-10-01 Tribal Gathering ... Allen Ginsberg, Wavy Gravy,
Big Brother& the Holding Co. Country Joe & the Fish, Lee Michaels,
It’s a Beautiful Day ....Greek Theater. Ca.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJeff Kaplan Date: Feb 25, 2012 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK>>>Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

hey, i was at 1974-08-05 Philadelphia Civic Arena for sure...here's my ticket stub:
http://www.archive.org/stream/ticketstubs#page/n5/mode/2up

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Poster: capsgd Date: Feb 25, 2012 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK>>>Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70


I remember the crowd basically ignoring Ned lagen
I overheard someone say; "I heard in NJ someone threw a soda can at him."

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Feb 26, 2012 12:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK>>>Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

capsgd, JK you guys were at some incredible shows!! If you'd care to share, how were 3-24-73 and 8-5-74 in person? Those are two of my absolute favorite shows of that era :)

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Poster: capsgd Date: Feb 26, 2012 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK>>>Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

I remember 1973-3-24 had the short Dark Star I was hoping fora DS people said if you want to see them space out ya gotta go to Ca. ...the crowd was delightful..and if I remember correctly the Dead's amps had tie-dye which in 73 was retro...don't remember many in the crowd wearing tie dye in the 80's tie dye was everywhere -it seemed like it never left...in those days most made their own and it would get on everything...pink underwear..etc drab army jackets were in...(Vietnam wouldn't go away) the band looked like they went to 2nd hand thrift stores...saw a ballerina spinning...and a guy with a stove-top hat...and a few day-glow flowers painted on faces...
-since 71 I was dosing to the gills almost every weekend but doing it at concerts seemed tricky...74-08 after the show my friends car wouldn't start..we opened the hood...higher than a kite...neon orange and blue sparks or at least thats what I saw...a cop drove by and we all straighten up...then a beat-up car that said "Ohio- grateful Dead or Bust"...drove by and even though it was stuffed with a car load of smiling freaks- they stopped and offered a ride...wonderful..I couldn't imagine that happening at any other concert- in Philly...a pig named Rizzo was mayor and he hated "hippies"

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Feb 25, 2012 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

Great call here cliff, this f'n cd rips from the opening, I have had it since it came out and I still listen to it frequently, I love the statesboro on this! Great topic to start out my Saturday morning, I think I am going to put it on while grading some history papers! Thank you mr. Cliff!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Feb 24, 2012 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

If you like this one Cliff there is also the board of the ABB's 2/11/70 set circulating somewhere also worth checking out...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 24, 2012 7:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

Bear's liner notes:
http://www.thebear.org/notes.html#anchor43227

Kirk West (Allmans archivist) said in a 2001 interview, "We never knew [those tapes] existed. The Brothers opened for the Dead on that February '70 run at the Fillmore East. Owsley had taped our three sets, ranging from 45-60 minutes long. We played essentially the same set every night. We put together one CD from them and released it in '96 or '97. It was a joint effort between GDP and us. So that was the first thing.
"We were also working on two other projects that had release potential - the Dead loved the idea and we loved the idea. These were to be a package from the RFK and Watkins Glen ('73) shows... We went through them and edited them and pieced things together. We were going to do a four-CD release: two Dead, two Brothers.... Then shortly after that, the Brothers sued Polygram, and things got jumbled up. The lawsuits aren't quite resolved yet. Once they are, we'd like to finally get it out...
"We were able to get [the 4/26/71] Sugar Magnolia for the Duane box; that's also tied up in a lawsuit... On the tapes that are floating around - you can't hear Duane hardly at all, but he's all over it.. Duane was hot in the signal the whole time [on the multitrack]; he just wasn't mixed right [on the circulating tape]...
"There's two lawsuits: one involving the Allman Brothers, and one involving Duane and Polygram Records... They're in the process but they're slow. There's a royalty situation to be resolved. Too bad because these projects were ready for the artwork. Two four-CD box sets. It's been all tied up for three years now."

(David Lemieux has also said that the 4/26/71 BIODTL with Duane was almost included on the Ladies & Gentlemen set, but had to be dropped due to the lawsuit.)

Given that this interview was 11 years ago, I wouldn't hold my breath for that RFK box set...

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Feb 26, 2012 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

LIA, Cliff- The 40 minute Dreams-Elizabeth Reed from the SUNY release is one of the greatest psychedelic bop blues explorations I have ever heard. Dwayne Allman moves into sonic realms beyond imagination, blissful, melodic, bird like and never dull, the drummers constantly changing the beat, Oakley a monster, man this is my favorite disc in the world right now!!! The Elizabeth Reed swings and bounces, choppy and funky, listen to what the drummers are doing, sounds like they are each playing a different song! Get it!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 26, 2012 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

What about the sound quality of that release?

Hard for me to pull the trigger on buying this with some rather poor reviews of its sound...

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Feb 26, 2012 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

The sound does improve immensely from blue sky on. A little muffled and bass heavy but nothing like the hiss that is present at first. Should have put that in my first post. Even with the sound issues the first tracks still rip and I have no regrets buying it, worth every penny. It just seems like they could have done a better job touching it up.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Feb 26, 2012 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

First four, five songs sound like a bad audience recording, from Blue Sky onward you have a good to excellent soundboard.. Disc two is sonically excellent, with some minor channel issues. The performance is outstanding throughout, with DA in particular just unstoppable...

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Poster: dtzcuzn Date: Feb 25, 2012 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

I remember seeing this in the Dead's Almanac when they mailed them out.Needless to say I was excited to see the cross pollination in releases from both bands.Kirk West told me that it was like Christmas morning when Dick Latvala called and told him aboout these tapes being in the vault.Now for me,this was the best of both worlds.Let me explain.

The first concert I ever saw was the Allman Brithers Band in '75 prior to the first "break up",I wasn't even 12 yet but I understood the power of live music that evening.Then a few years later,I became a Deadhead.Many thousands of hours of live tapes and shows,but smoething was eluding me in the tape department.So I saw the opening,I had to buy this release,but I had more in mind.

So I fire off the order,with a note to Dick Latvala.The note was to thank him for releasing the early Allmans,butu I had to find the Dead show from where I live.With the hope at best,Dick would give me an address of someone to get in contact with,at worst no kind of answer.Much to my surprise about 2 weeks later when an envelope arrived with the PO Box X in the return address.It sure didn't feel like the CD so I was shocked when I opened it up.A note from Dick thanking me for the interest in keeping the music alive,and two TDK-SAX 100 minute tapes of the show I asked about,11-17-72 Wichita,KS straight off the reel to reel tapes.The note rad about not sending this out for trade,so I never put it on my list,it was just a show that would get played amongst friends at gatherings and parties.Now I know how Dick would get shows out to the masses,5 copies analog,5 copies digital then send them out to ones he had known for a long time.My tapes were analog,but I would get DAT lists form people and this show would be on it.My neighbor got a copy,he doesn't trade or had no idead that this kind of stuff exists,plus he went to the show.I did get an original flyer from the show(thanks Chuck),and the rest is history.

So in a round about way,I happened to responsible for unleashing this show to the masses and everyone I hear from say it's a good show,even heard it on the Sirius XM Dead channel a few times.

Anyway if you don't have the Allmans from this,get it,you can see that this is young and hungry band just waiting to strike.Plus the developement of Liz Reed & Mountain Jam in years to come,I mean you've gotta have a starting point,Dark Star didn't start out to what it would become,same with these shows.

BTW years later,2002 or 2003 it was,I gave copies on disc of the Wichita Dead show to Kirk West and told him how I got them.I felt that Dick would approve of his friend Kirk owning them,and Kirk was moved to tears when talking about Dick.I gave him them the discs and he gave me a hug and backstage passes for that evenings ABB show.He was going to give us the passes anyway,my son and I are related to Derek,but still it was a sweet gesture from such a sweet guy,Kirk.

Now get the disc and enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 25, 2012 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Allman Brothers Band: Fillmore East Feb '70

Nice story about Latvala. He was all about spreading the music - plus you happened to ask about one of his favorite '72 shows! And that was a classic technique of his, giving a bunch of people copies of a show and saying "now don't trade this with anyone"....while knowing better.

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